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Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by 2tall on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:06 pm

I posted a question in Betta Health on Maracyn & Maracyn 2. There are ten
packets that treat ten gallons each. If I can swing it tomorrow I'll split it with you and include it in the package. I just worry about playing Dr. Betta. They both claim to work on finrot.

Feel free to do a little research and advise me which you might prefer. One is a dollar more I believe, but I'm not telling which one!
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by 2tall on Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:28 pm

I hope the salt will hold it at bay for a couple of days. I don't think I'll have a full day tomorrow. I hope hes eating at least!
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:06 pm

"Fin Rot is caused by gram-negative rod bacteria. " is what I found. Though some sites say it's bacteria while others say fungus....but I think his case is bacteria because I don't see anything slimy eating away at him as the fungus site suggest.

He's eating just fine, luckily. He recovered from the over-eating incident beautifully, lol.

I'm learning a lot from these sites. Tomorrow I'll set up his old home again (about 1 gal) so it's easier to monitor him and give accurate doses and it'll be a very clean hospital to begin FULL treatment with. He showed no irritation to the little bit of salt I put in (he swam through it just after I put it in before it could spread through the rest of his tank) so I'll do full dose of that salt in his hospital home. I also think I'll go out and get that second extract and use that instead of the meds I currently have...it sounds to me like it's the one I truly need. I just hope it's not too far progressed....I see thinning areas in his tail which will probably become rips.

I was gonna go see my friend lucy tomorrow morning, it's her first time at home alone with her new baby and wanted someone there with her but I think she'll be fine....the sooner I can help Alpha properly the better.
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by 2tall on Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:28 pm

Sorry. We had a connection problem with Comcast and lost our connection to the internet. Been off for an hour at least. Will continue to a little research as I forgot where I was. I think I was leading towards the Maracyn 2.

Might have an answer when I get up!
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:43 am

"The antibiotics that I normally use are Maracyn I and II by Mardel which are erythromycin (kills gram positive bacteria) and minocycline (kills gram negative bacteria) respectively. Gram positive bacterial problems may include fin and tail rot, popeye, columnaris (which sometimes looks like a fungus), and bacteria that take advantage of physical damage. Gram negative bacterial problems may include dropsy, popeye, fin and tail rot, and septicemia. You see there is some overlap because different species of bacteria can cause the same problems. There are many antibiotics out there from which to choose. Some may work better than others for a particular problem. Keep in mind that some antibiotics kill good bacteria which will send up the ammonia levels. That happened to me years ago when I added penicillin to a tank."

"Fin Rot is caused by gram-negative rod bacteria. "

Kinda contradicts each other....one saying it's negative and one saying the meds for both negative and positive works. Thing is how can one tell with each specific case which is needed to cure?

Alpha greeted me with tail flicking this morning. As soon as I take my son to school I'll get a hospital tank set up. I'm not gonna bother with gravel or anything like that to minimize possible injuries he could inflict on himself and it will be easier for me to monitor how much food he eats and how often he needs 100% change (as I know it'll be more than once a week in that small container).
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by KalandraJane on Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:16 am

You shouldn't be sprinkling the salt directly into the tank, it can cause burns and won't dissolve properly. You need to stir it like mad into a cup of warm water until it's fully dissolved, then add a few drops of dechlorinator to the cup, then pour it in the tank.

Glad to hear he's still eating and getting along ok, I think you might be wasting your money on all these natural extracts though. You wouldn't use herbal medicine if your leg was rotting off with gangrene. I'd get meth blue, it's cheap, effective and kills both fungus and bacteria so you'd be covered on both fronts, if you can't get hold of anything more expensive like the Maracyn.
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:19 am

Oh I'm not, I'm dissolving it first ^_^

None of our stores have Meth Blue but F.Banks found some stuff that might help that he'll be sending in his package to me. Till then I'm just gonna stick with the aquarium salt and clean water, hopefully hold it at bay.
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by KalandraJane on Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:33 am

Ah right good, the way it read I thought you were just sprinkling it in Smile

I think you've been lucky and he's obviously a fighter if he's lasted this long with his condition and is still eating, hopefully a few more days while the medicine arrives won't do any harm.
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 6:51 am

I'm hoping. He's getting a new wound every 1-2 days but it starts small then gets worse till it's a gap. I got him in the old home and I measured the water as I put it in. It's only 1/2 gallon but I'm hoping the constantly clean water helps. I put in an extra couple drops of stress coat seeing as he seems to be very easily stressed out and the salt called for 1/2tsp/gallon so I put in 1/4th tsp, dissolved of course. He's swimming around now wondering why nothing is in there now, lol. Got food soaking for him.

Now what should I do to help the 2.5 gallon tank to decontaminate it, and the 2 fake plants? Whatever was eating at his fins must have worked their way fairly well into his environment and I don't wanna just wash it out and put him back in after he's healed just to find he gets it again, ya know?
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by 2tall on Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:26 am

I think I'll go with the Maracyn 2 as its the one that doesn't affect the appetite if I remember correctly. I'll double check though because the last thing I want to is send something that curbs his appetite!

Gotta pack my lunch and run!
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by KalandraJane on Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:36 am

Finrot is a secondary infection where bacteria or fungus normally present in the water get a hold on a fish whose immunity is low, so there's really not much danger from anything that might have found its way into your fake plants once he's better - it's all stuff that is normally present in the water anyway, just it's reached elevated levels.

A good clean out with plain water will do it good though - wash it in as hot water as you dare, boiling water might crack it but water that has boiled and cooled for a few mins should be fine. You can swish the fake plants around in it too and they shouldn't melt if you just have them in there for a few seconds at a time. After that, letting it all dry out thoroughly in an airy place should get rid of any remaining organisms, they need moisture to live. It won't be sterile obviously but it will have killed off enough bugs so that it's totally safe.

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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:42 am

What about running them through the dish washer without any soaps?? I know soap and such for it is bad and I can put it on an extra rinse cycle. The water in there gets super-heated and has never harmed any of our glass stuff.


I'm uploading a video of Alpha I took just this morning....it's taking forever to upload, lol. I also got a couple good pics of his tail to see (his other fins are reluctant to be still or flared enough for a good picture, hence the video)
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:23 am

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Post by KalandraJane on Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:30 am

It looks to me like he actually has a bit of regrowth on some of those splits Smile yeah the soapless dishwasher cycle sounds like it wouldn't do any harm, would certainly clear away any fungal spores or bacteria, if you're planning to strip the tank and totally redo it. Do you have any gravel in there?
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Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:25 am

Yeah I do but our tap water heater is on maximum (we just got a new one, YAYS) so I'll let it sit with some hot salt water, I think, and let it dry completely before adding it back in.

And no...the thin/light parts are bits that will surrender to the illness soon. I noticed he had thin spots before but it's those areas that are going first :/
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by silverrabbit on Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:59 pm

The Maracyn meds are meant to be pretty good, I hope they help Alpha
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:53 pm

I hope they do too!! I'm surprised he's content in his container, no rocks or plants or anything in it besides the thermometer. he still watches me and he'll come up to me if I make kissy faces to him but he swims away if I touch my finger to the glass, lol. He's still his normal self...just with ripped fins.
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Post by 2tall on Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:30 pm

silverrabbit wrote:The Maracyn meds are meant to be pretty good, I hope they help Alpha

Actually just got back on line. Long story but shouldn't be anymore issues!

One of the Maracyns will be included for sure. If I get enough hours I think I might buy a tank divider and send a heater too. No guarantee yet!

The only consideration is my Peppered Cory as I'm hesitant to reduce her from
10 to gls.

She a hair longer than a Betta and well fed too! The two Neons will go opposite her.

I watch your video of Alpha and he's still an eye catcher. I'm glad he's being active too!
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:42 am

Me too. I notice every time he sees me wake up he flares and tries to swim through the glass, lol. I think it's a happy flare rather than a defensive flare.

How big is the tank you're sending?? I think M-II will do the trick for Alpha after some more research though that site said both meds would work, another site said fin rot is a negative which M-II treats.

And yeah, he's still awesome. I think he'll just be a SD-RT because of how his dorsal fin looks. Aren't the dorsal and anal supposed to be almost identical in a HM?? His dorsal is like a pointy sail, more pointy than his tail or anal fin.
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Post by Mesatalia on Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:32 am

*screams in an odd sarcastic sort of way while pulling her hair*

I dunno how much longer I can do this!!

Alpha's condition seems to be at bay but also not healing, and I found a warm spot for him where the coldest is 75F at night (on top of my cable box....why didn't I think of that before!?)

But now.....

My son's fish is showing possible signs of Ick. We've successfully treated Icky fish before so I'm sure I can do it again....but there's one thing.

It's not WHITE. It's like a trail of mostly transparent slime or something trailing off his tail. That tank was pristine when I put him in it and there have been no contaminants in it at all (that are detectable anyway, besides the normal stuff that would be there....).

Now I gotta go back to the store and get that Ick treatment....
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Post by KalandraJane on Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:18 am

The slime might be from his skin producing excessive mucus as a result of the irritation from the parasite.

Stuff like ick/whitespot can even come in through your tapwater sometimes, there's allsorts of eggs and spores and such in the system that isn't killed by the chlorine, that's where planaria worms come from which you sometimes get in tanks. It's gross really.
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Re: Mixed questions/concerns - SOS UPDATE

Post by Mesatalia on Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:42 am

From what parasite?? This is the OTHER fish, not my fin rot baby.

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Salt again or special medications?
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Post by Wilsonnw8 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:50 pm

judging from the video he looks fine, he is a RT and I would just keep him in super clean water, if you are worried just add some dilute methane blue or "general tonic" as a safe guard the splits should heal no problem!

Can we see pics of your sons fish?

I dont want you to worry yourself and then treat when you don't need to!

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Post by Mesatalia on Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:38 pm

I tried getting pics but the silly fish is so camera shy and prefers darker areas to light, I can't get a decent pic of his problem. I took a close look today and the trail from his fin is gone, probably got taken off by the plants he hides in all the time, but it seems he's got a slimy coat on him that the camera won't pick up anyway. He's feeding fine still and being his normal shy self. I'm gonna watch him closely for white areas. Maybe use a little salt with him to see if it clears him up.


They both just had a 100% WC, everything rinsed out well and sanitized.

My RT still seems to be fine for the moment. Still has a pinhole in his "arm" fins but the other rips haven't gotten any worse so far. I hope we're out of the clear.

Wils, the "general tonic" in my area is the medication that's no good for unfiltered tanks. We don't have a variety here. I live in a tiny little borough where there's not even a proper grocery store. If I want to get anything good or decent I gotta raise money to get it shipped from an online store.


F.Banks is sending me a really good package though....should get it around Saturday or Monday.
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Post by KalandraJane on Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:24 pm

Mesatalia wrote:From what parasite?? This is the OTHER fish, not my fin rot baby.

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Salt again or special medications?

Ich is a protozoan parasite - a tiny louse. The adult creature burrows into the fish's skin, that's what you can see as tiny white/gold spots, and it produces a jelly to protect itself. When it's gorged on the fish's blood, it sends out thousands of microscopic baby parasites which reside in the tank for a few days, so it looks like the ich has gone, before coming back with a vengeance a few days later when the babies reach maturity. It does need a specific medication.
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